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Discourse, 3 October 1841, as Reported by Times and Seasons

This doctrine appears glorious, inasmuch as it exhibits the greatness of divine compassion and benevolence in the extent of the plan of human salvation. This glorious truth is well calculated to enlarge the understanding, and to sustain the soul under troubles, difficulties, and distresses.
For illustration the speaker presented, by supposition, the case of too men, brothers, equally intelligent, learned, virtuous and lovely, walking in uprightness and in all good conscience, so far as they had been able to discern duty from the muddy stream of tradition, or from the blotted page of the book of nature. One dies, and is buried, having never heard the gospel of reconciliation: to the other the message of salvation is sent, he hears and embraces it, and is made the heir of eternal life. Shall the one become a partaker of glory, and the other be consigned to hopeless perdition? Is there no chance for his escape? Sectarianism answers, “none! none!! none!!!” Such an idea is worse than atheism. The truth shall break down and dash in pieces all such bigoted Pharisaism; the sects shall be sifted, the honest in heart brought out and their priests left in the midst of their corruption. The speaker then answered the objections urged against the Latter Day Saints for not admitting the validity of sectarian baptism, and for withholding fellowship from sectarian churches. It was like putting new wine into old bottles and putting old wine into new bottles. What, new revelations in the old churches! New revelatiens knock out the bottom of their bottomless pit. New wine into old bottles!—the bottles burst and the wine runs out. What, Sadducees in the new church! Old wine in new leathern bottles will leak through the pores and escape; so the Saddacee saints mock at authority, kick out of the traces, and run to the mountains of perdition, leaving the long echo of their braying behind them.
The speaker then contrasted the charity of the sects, in denouncing all who disagree with them in opinion, and in joining in persecuting the saints, with the faith of the saints, who believe that even such may be saved in this world and in the world to come, (murderers and apostates excepted.)
This doctrine, he said, presented in a clear light, the wisdom and mercy of God, in preparing an ordinance for the salvation of the dead, being baptised by proxy, their names recorded in heaven. and they judged according to the deeds done in the body. This doctrine was the burden of the scriptures. Those saints who neglect it, in behalf of their deceased relatives, do it at the peril of their own salvation.
The dispensation of the fulness of times will bring to light the things that have been revealed in all former dispensations, also other things that have not been before revealed. He shall send Elijah the prophet &c., and restore all things in Christ.
The speaker then announced, “There shall be no more baptisms for the dead, until the ordinance can be attended to in the font of the Lord’s House;

JS revelation, dated Jan. 1841, commanded Saints to build temple and hotel (Nauvoo House). Cornerstone laid, 6 Apr. 1841. Saints volunteered labor, money, and other resources for temple construction. Construction directed by committee, which included Reynolds...

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and the church shall not hold another general conference, until they can meet in said house

JS revelation, dated Jan. 1841, commanded Saints to build temple and hotel (Nauvoo House). Cornerstone laid, 6 Apr. 1841. Saints volunteered labor, money, and other resources for temple construction. Construction directed by committee, which included Reynolds...

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. For thus saith the Lord!” [p. 578]
This doctrine appears glorious, inas much as it exhibits the greatness of divine  compassion and benevolence in the ex tent of the plan of human salvation. This  glorious truth is well calculated to enlarge  the understanding, and to sustain the soul  under troubles, difficulties, and distresses.
For illustration the speaker presented,  by supposition, the case of too men, bro thers, equally intelligent, learned, virtu ous and lovely, walking in uprightness  and in all good conscience, so far as they  had been able to discern duty from the  muddy stream of tradition, or from the  blotted page of the book of nature. One  dies, and is buried, having never heard  the gospel of reconciliation: to the other  the message of salvation is sent, he hears  and embraces it, and is made the heir of  eternal life. Shall the one become a  partaker of glory, and the other be con signed to hopeless perdition? Is there  no chance for his escape? Sectarianism  answers, “none! none!! none!!!” Such  an idea is worse than atheism. The truth  shall break down and dash in pieces all  such bigoted Pharisaism; the sects shall  be sifted, the honest in heart brought out  and their priests left in the midst of their  corruption. The speaker then answer ed the objections urged against the Lat ter Day Saints for not admitting the va lidity of sectarian baptism, and for with holding fellowship from sectarian church es. It was like putting new wine into old  bottles and putting old wine into new bot tles. What, new revelations in the old  churches! New revelatiens knock out  the bottom of their bottomless pit. New  wine into old bottles!—the bottles burst  and the wine runs out. What, Saddu cees in the new church! Old wine in new  leathern bottles will leak through the pores  and escape; so the Saddacee saints mock  at authority, kick out of the traces, and  run to the mountains of perdition, leaving  the long echo of their braying behind  them.
The speaker then contrasted the char ity of the sects, in denouncing all who  disagree with them in opinion, and in  joining in persecuting t[h]e saints, with the  faith of the saints, who believe that even  such may be saved in this world and in  the world to come, (murderers and apos tates excepted.)
This doctrine, he said, presented in a  clear light, the wisdom and mercy of God,  in preparing an ordinance for the salva tion of the dead, being baptised by proxy,  their names recorded in heaven. and they  [j]udged according to the deeds done in the  body. This doctrine was the burden of  the scriptures. Those saints who neg lect it, in behalf of their deceased rela tives, do it at the peril of their own sal vation.
The dispensation of the fulness of times  will bring to light the things that have been  revealed in all former dispensations, also  other things that have not been before  revealed. He shall send Elijah the proph e[t] &c., and restore all things in Christ.
The speaker then announced, “There  shall be no more baptisms for the dead,  until the ordinance can be attended to in  the font of the Lord’s House;

JS revelation, dated Jan. 1841, commanded Saints to build temple and hotel (Nauvoo House). Cornerstone laid, 6 Apr. 1841. Saints volunteered labor, money, and other resources for temple construction. Construction directed by committee, which included Reynolds...

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and the  church shall not hold another general con ference, until they can meet in said house

JS revelation, dated Jan. 1841, commanded Saints to build temple and hotel (Nauvoo House). Cornerstone laid, 6 Apr. 1841. Saints volunteered labor, money, and other resources for temple construction. Construction directed by committee, which included Reynolds...

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.  For thus saith the Lord!” [p. 578]
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Principal gathering place for Saints following expulsion from Missouri. Beginning in 1839, LDS church purchased lands in earlier settlement of Commerce and planned settlement of Commerce City, as well as surrounding areas. Served as church headquarters, 1839...

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, IL, 3 Oct. 1841; in Times and Seasons, 15 Oct. 1841, 2:577–578.

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