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Discourse, 7 April 1844, as Reported by Times and Seasons

awful responsibility, that rests upon us in relation to our dead: for all the spirits who have not obeyed the gospel in the flesh, must either obey the gospel or be damned. Solemn thought, dreadful thought. Is there nothing to be done; no salvation for our fathers and friends who have died and not obeyed the decrees of the Son of Man? Would to God that I had forty days and nights to tell you all, I would let you know that I am not a fallen prophet. What kind of characters are those who can be saved although their bodies are decaying in the grave? When his commandments teach us, it is in view of eternity. The greatest responsibility in this world that God has laid upon us, is to seek after our dead.— The apostle says, they without us cannot be made perfect. Now I will speak of them:—I say to you Paul, you cannot be perfect without us: it is necessary that those who are gone before, and those who come after us should have salvation in common with us, and thus hath God made it obligatory to man. Hence God said he should send Elijah, &c.; I have a declaration to make as to the provisions which God hath made to suit the conditions of man; made from before the foundation of the world, What has Jesus said? All sins and all blasphemies, every transgression, except one, that man can be guilty of, there is a salvation for him either in this world, or the world to come. Hence God hath made a provision, that every spirit in the eternal world can be ferreted out and saved, unless he has commited that unpardonable sin, which can not be remitted to him. That God has wrought out a salvation for all men, unless they have committed a certain sin. Every man who has got a friend in in the eternal world can save him unless he has committed the unpardonable sin, and so you can see how far you can be a savior. A man can not commit the unpardonable sin after the dissolution of the body, and there is a way possible for escape. Knowledge saves a man, and in the world of spirits a man cannot be exalted but by knowledge; so long as a man will not give heed to the commandments, he must abide without salvation. A man is his own tormenter, and is his own condemner: hence the saying they shall go into the lake that burns with fire and brimstone. The torment of the mind of man is as exsquisite as a lake burning with fire and brimstone—so is the torment of man. I know the scriptures; I understand them. I said no man can commit the unpardonable sin after the dissolution of the body, but they must do it in this world: hence the salvation of Jesus Christ was wronght out for all men in order to triumph over the devil: for if it did not catch him in one place, it would in another, for he stood up as a Savior.
The contention in heaven was, Jesus said there would be certain souls that would not be saved, and the devil said he could save them all; the grand council gave in for Jesus Christ: so the devil rebelled against God and fell, and all who put up their heads for him. All sins shall be forgiven except the sin against the Holy Ghost: after a man has sinned against the Holy Ghost there is no repentance for him, he has got to say that the sun does not shine, while he sees it, he has got to deny Jesus Christ when the heavens were open to him, and from that time they begin to be enemies, like many of the apostates of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. When a man begins to be an enemy, he hunts me. They seek to kill me; they thirst for my blood; they never cease. He has the same spirit that they had who crucified the Lord of Life: the same spirit that sins against the Holy Ghost. You cannot bring them to repentance. Awful is the consequence. I advise all of you to be careful what you do, you may by and bye find out that you have been deceived. Stay yourselves, do not give way. You may find out that some one has laid a snare for you. Be cautious; await! when you find a spirit that wants bloodshed, murder, the same is not of God, but is of the devil. Out of the abundance of the heart man speaketh. The man that tells you words of life, is the man that can save you. I warn you against all evil characters, who sin against the Holy Ghost, for there is no redemption for them in this world, or in the world to come.
I can enter into the mysteries; I can enter largely into the eternal worlds: for Jesus said, in my father’s house there are many mansions, &c. There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars, &c. We have reason to have the greatest hope and consolations for our dead, for we have aided them in the first principles; for we have seen them walk in our midst, and seen them sink asleep in the arms of Jesus. And hence is the glory of the sun. You mourners have occasion to rejoice; (speaking of the death of Elder King Follett

24/26 July 1788–9 Mar. 1844. Born at Winchester, Cheshire Co., New Hampshire. Son of John Follett and Hannah Oak (Oake) Alexander. Married Louisa Tanner, by 1815. Baptized into LDS church, spring 1831. Member of Whitmer branch at Jackson Co., Missouri, by...

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,) for your husband is gone to wait until the resurrection; and your expectations and hope are far above what man can conceive: for why has God revealed it to us? I am authorised to say by the authority of the Holy Ghost, that you have no occasion to fear, for he is gone to the home of the just. Don’t mourn: don’t weep. I know it by the testimony of the Holy Ghost that is within me. Rejoice O Israel! your friends shall triumph gloriously, while their murderers [p. 616]
awful responsibility, that rests upon us in re lation to our dead: for all the spirits who have  not obeyed the gospel in the flesh, must either  obey the gospel or be damned. Solemn  thought, dreadful thought. Is there nothing  to be done; no salvation for our fathers and  friends who have died and not obeyed the de crees of the Son of Man? Would to God that  I had forty days and nights to tell you all, I  would let you know that I am not a fallen  prophet. What kind of characters are those  who can be saved although their bodies are de caying in the grave? When his command ments teach us, it is in view of eternity. The  greatest responsibility in this world that God  has laid upon us, is to seek after our dead.—  The apostle says, they without us cannot be  made perfect. Now I will speak of them:— I say to you Paul, you cannot be perfect with out us: it is necessary that those who are gone  before, and those who come after us should  have salvation in common with us, and thus  hath God made it obligatory to man. Hence  God said he should send Elijah, &c.; I have a  declaration to make as to the provisions which  God hath made to suit the conditions of man;  made from before the foundation of the world,  What has Jesus said? All sins and all blasphe mies, every transgression, except one, that  man can be guilty of, there is a salvation for  him either in this world, or the world to come.  Hence God hath made a provision, that every  spirit in the eternal world can be ferreted out  and saved, unless he has commited that un pardonable sin, which can not be remitted to  him. That God has wrought out a salvation  for all men, unless they have committed a cer tain sin. Every man who has got a friend in  in the eternal world can save him unless he has  committed the unpardonable sin, and so you  can see how far you can be a savior. A man can  not commit the unpardonable sin after the dis solution of the body, and there is a way possi ble for escape. Knowledge saves a man, and  in the world of spirits a man cannot be exalted  but by knowledge; so long as a man will not  give heed to the commandments, he must  abide without salvation. A man is his own  tormenter, and is his own condemner: hence  the saying they shall go into the lake that  burns with fire and brimstone. The torment  of the mind of man is as exsquisite as a lake  burning with fire and brimstone—so is the tor ment of man. I know the scriptures; I under stand them. I said no man can commit the  unpardonable sin after the dissolution of the  body, but they must do it in this world: hence  the salvation of Jesus Christ was wronght out  for all men in order to triumph over the devil:  for if it did not catch him in one place, it would  in another, for he stood up as a Savior.
The contention in heaven was, Jesus said  there would be certain souls that would not be  saved, and the devil said he could save them  all; the grand council gave in for Jesus Christ:  so the devil rebelled against God and fell, and  all who put up their heads for him. All sins  shall be forgiven except the sin against the Ho ly Ghost: after a man has sinned against the  Holy Ghost there is no repentance for him, he  has got to say that the sun does not shine, while  he sees it, he has got to deny Jesus Christ  when the heavens were open to him, and from  that time they begin to be enemies, like many  of the apostates of the church of Jesus Christ of  Latter day Saints. When a man begins to be  an enemy, he hunts me. They seek to kill  me; they thirst for my blood; they never  cease. He has the same spirit that they had  who crucified the Lord of Life: the same spirit  that sins against the Holy Ghost. You cannot  bring them to repentance. Awful is the con sequence. I advise all of you to be careful what  you do, you may by and bye find out that you  have been deceived. Stay yourselves, do not  give way. You may find out that some one  has laid a snare for you. Be cautious; await!  when you find a spirit that wants bloodshed,  murder, the same is not of God, but is of the  devil. Out of the abundance of the heart man  speaketh. The man that tells you words of  life, is the man that can save you. I warn you  against all evil characters, who sin against the  Holy Ghost, for there is no redemption for  them in this world, or in the world to come.
I can enter into the mysteries; I can enter  largely into the eternal worlds: for Jesus said,  in my father’s house there are many mansions,  &c. There is one glory of the sun, another  glory of the moon, and another glory of the  stars, &c. We have reason to have the great est hope and consolations for our dead, for we  have aided them in the first principles; for we  have seen them walk in our midst, and seen  them sink asleep in the arms of Jesus. And  hence is the glory of the sun. You mourners  have occasion to rejoice; (speaking of the  death of Elder King Follett

24/26 July 1788–9 Mar. 1844. Born at Winchester, Cheshire Co., New Hampshire. Son of John Follett and Hannah Oak (Oake) Alexander. Married Louisa Tanner, by 1815. Baptized into LDS church, spring 1831. Member of Whitmer branch at Jackson Co., Missouri, by...

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,) for your husband  is gone to wait until the resurrection; and  your expectations and hope are far above what  man can conceive: for why has God revealed  it to us? I am authorised to say by the author ity of the Holy Ghost, that you have no occa sion to fear, for he is gone to the home of the  just. Don’t mourn: don’t weep. I know it  by the testimony of the Holy Ghost that is  within me. Rejoice O Israel! your friends  shall triumph gloriously, while their murderers [p. 616]
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