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Discourse, 7 April 1844, as Reported by Times and Seasons

conversed with him, as one man talkes and communes with another.
In order to understand the subject of the dead, for the consolation of those who mourn for the loss of their friends, it is necessary they should understand the character and being of God, for I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. These are incomprehensible ideas to some, but they are the simple and first principles of the gospel, to know for a certainty the character of God, that we may converse with him as one man with another, and that God himself; the Father of us all dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did, and I will show it from the Bible. I wish I had the trump of an arch angel, I could tell the story in such a manner that persecution would cease forever; what did Jesus say? (mark it elder [Sidney] Rigdon

19 Feb. 1793–14 July 1876. Tanner, farmer, minister. Born at St. Clair, Allegheny Co., Pennsylvania. Son of William Rigdon and Nancy Gallaher. Joined United Baptists, ca. 1818. Preached at Warren, Trumbull Co., Ohio, and vicinity, 1819–1821. Married Phebe...

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;) Jesus said, as the Father hath power in himself, even so hath the Son power; to do what? why what the Father did, that answer is obvious; in a manner to lay down his body and take it up again. Jesus what are you going to do? To lay down my life, as my Father did, and take it up again.— If you do not believe it, you do not believe the Bible; the scriptures say it, and I defy all the learning and wisdom, all the combined powers of earth and hell together, to refute it. Here then is eternal life, to know the only wise and true God. You have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves; to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done; by going from a small degree to another, from grace to grace, from exaltation to exaltation, until you are able to sit in glory as doth those who sit enthroned in everlasting power; and I want you to know that God in the last days, while certain individuals are proclaiming his name, is not trifling with you or me; it is the first principles of consolation. How consoling to the mourner, when they are called to part with a husband, wife, father, mother, child or dear relative, to know, that although the earthly tabernacle shall be dissolved, that they shall rise in immortal glory, not to sorrow, suffer or die any more, but they shall be heirs of God and joint heirs with Jesus Christ. What is it? to inherit the same glory, the same power and the same exaltation, until you ascend the throne of eternal power the same as those who are gone before. What did Jesus do? why I do the things I saw my Father do when worlds came rolling into existence. I saw my Father work out his kingdom with fear and trembling, and I must do the same; and when I get my kingdom I shall present it to my Father, so that he obtains kingdom upon kingdom, and it will exalt his glory, so that Jesus treads in his tracks to inherit what God did before; it is plain beyond disputation, and you thus learn some of the first principles of the gospel, about which so much hath been said. When you climb a ladder, you must begin at the bottom and go on until you learn the last principle; it will be a great while before you have learned the last. It is not all to be comprehended in this world; it is a great thing to learn salvation beyong the grave. I suppose I am not allowed to go into an investigation of any thing that is not contained in the Bible, and I think there are so many wise men here, who would put me to death for treason; so I shall turn commentator to-day; I shall comment on the very first Hebrew word in the Bible; I will make a comment on the very first sentence of the history of creation in the Bible, Berosheit. I want to analyze the word; baith, in, by, through, in, and every thing else. Rosh, the head. Sheit, gramatical termination. When the inspired man wrote it, he did not put the baith there. A man, a Jew without any authority, thought it too bad to begin to talk abut the head. It read first, ‘The head one of the Gods brought forth the Gods,’ that is the true meaning of the words. Baurau, signifies to bring forth. If you do not believe it, you do not believe the learned man of God. No man can learn you more than what I have told you. Thus the head God brought forth the Gods in the grand council. I will simplify it in the English language. Oh ye lawyers! ye doctors! who have persecuted me; I want to let you know that the Holy Ghost knows something as well as you do. The head God called together the Gods, and set in grand council. The grand counsellors sat in yonder heavens, and contemplated the creation of the worlds that were created at that time. When I say doctors and lawyers, I mean the doctors and lawyers of the scripture. I have done so hitherto, to let the lawyers flutter, and every body laugh at them. Some learned doctor might take a notion to say, the scriptures say thus and so, and are not to be altered, and I am going to show you an error. I have an old book of the New Testament in the Hebrew, Latin, German and Greek. I have been reading the German and find it to be the most correct, and it corresponds nearest to the revelations I have given for the last fourteen years. It tells about Jachoboy the son of Zebedee; it means Jacob; in the English New Testament it is James.— Now if Jacob had the keys, you might talk about James through all eternity, and never get the keys. In the 21st verse of the 4th chapter Mathew, it gives the word Jacob instead of James. How can we escape the damnation of [p. 614]
conversed with him, as one man talkes and  communes with another.
In order to understand the subject of the  dead, for the consolation of those who mourn  for the loss of their friends, it is necessary they  should understand the character and being of  God, for I am going to tell you how God came  to be God. We have imagined that God was  God from all eternity. These are incompre hensible ideas to some, but they are the sim ple and first principles of the gospel, to know  for a certainty the character of God, that we  may converse with him as one man with anoth er, and that God himself; the Father of us all  dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ him self did, and I will show it from the Bible. I  wish I had the trump of an arch angel, I could  tell the story in such a manner that persecu tion would cease forever; what did Jesus say?  (mark it elder [Sidney] Rigdon

19 Feb. 1793–14 July 1876. Tanner, farmer, minister. Born at St. Clair, Allegheny Co., Pennsylvania. Son of William Rigdon and Nancy Gallaher. Joined United Baptists, ca. 1818. Preached at Warren, Trumbull Co., Ohio, and vicinity, 1819–1821. Married Phebe...

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;) Jesus said, as the Fa ther hath power in himself, even so hath the  Son power; to do what? why what the Father  did, that answer is obvious; in a manner to  lay down his body and take it up again. Je sus what are you going to do? To lay down my  life, as my Father did, and take it up again.—  If you do not believe it, you do not believe the  Bible; the scriptures say it, and I defy all the  learning and wisdom, all the combined pow ers of earth and hell together, to refute it. Here  then is eternal life, to know the only wise and  true God. You have got to learn how to be  Gods yourselves; to be kings and priests to God,  the same as all Gods have done; by going from  a small degree to another, from grace to grace,  from exaltation to exaltation, until you are  able to sit in glory as doth those who sit en throned in everlasting power; and I want you  to know that God in the last days, while cer tain individuals are proclaiming his name, is  not trifling with you or me; it is the first prin ciples of consolation. How consoling to the  mourner, when they are called to part with a  husband, wife, father, mother, child or dear  relative, to know, that although the earthly  tabernacle shall be dissolved, that they shall  rise in immortal glory, not to sorrow, suffer or  die any more, but they shall be heirs of God  and joint heirs with Jesus Christ. What is it?  to inherit the same glory, the same power and  the same exaltation, until you ascend the  throne of eternal power the same as those who  are gone before. What did Jesus do? why I  do the things I saw my Father do when worlds  came rolling into existence. I saw my Father  work out his kingdom with fear and trembling,  and I must do the same; and when I get my  kingdom I shall present it to my Father, so that  he obtains kingdom upon kingdom, and it will  exalt his glory, so that Jesus treads in his  tracks to inherit what God did before; it is  plain beyond disputation, and you thus learn  some of the first principles of the gospel, about  which so much hath been said. When you  climb a ladder, you must begin at the bottom  and go on until you learn the last principle; it  will be a great while before you have learned  the last. It is not all to be comprehended in  this world; it is a great thing to learn salvation  beyong the grave. I suppose I am not allowed  to go into an investigation of any thing that is  not contained in the Bible, and I think there  are so many wise men here, who would put me  to death for treason; so I shall turn commen tator to-day; I shall comment on the very first  Hebrew word in the Bible; I will make a com ment on the very first sentence of the history  of creation in the Bible, Berosheit. I want to  analyze the word; baith, in, by, through, in, and  every thing else. Rosh, the head. Sheit, gramat ical termination. When the inspired man wrote  it, he did not put the baith there. A man, a  Jew without any authority, thought it too bad  to begin to talk abut the head. It read first,  ‘The head one of the Gods brought forth the  Gods,’ that is the true meaning of the words.  Baurau, signifies to bring forth. If you do not  believe it, you do not believe the learned man  of God. No man can learn you more than what  I have told you. Thus the head God brought  forth the Gods in the grand council. I will sim plify it in the English language. Oh ye law yers! ye doctors! who have persecuted me; I  want to let you know that the Holy Ghost  knows something as well as you do. The head  God called together the Gods, and set in grand  council. The grand counsellors sat in yonder  heavens, and contemplated the creation of the  worlds that were created at that time. When I  say doctors and lawyers, I mean the doctors  and lawyers of the scripture. I have done so  hitherto, to let the lawyers flutter, and every  body laugh at them. Some learned doctor  might take a notion to say, the scriptures say  thus and so, and are not to be altered, and I am  going to show you an error. I have an old book  of the New Testament in the Hebrew, Latin,  German and Greek. I have been reading the  German and find it to be the most correct, and  it corresponds nearest to the revelations I have  given for the last fourteen years. It tells about  Jachoboy the son of Zebedee; it means Jacob;  in the English New Testament it is James.—  Now if Jacob had the keys, you might talk  about James through all eternity, and never  get the keys. In the 21st verse of the 4th chap ter Mathew, it gives the word Jacob instead  of James. How can we escape the damnation of [p. 614]
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