The discussion of these weapons began months earlier in the 18 March 1845 meeting. Brigham Young said that “he had for some time thought it would be good policy for brother Turley to go to making six and fifteen shooters. . . . In regard to brother Turley he wants the council to agitate the subject and come to some conclusion whether it is not best for brother Turley to go to work and make fifteen shooters.” At the 10 May meeting Young reported that Turley had begun manufacturing and brought in a sample. (Council of Fifty, “Record,” 18 Mar. and 10 May 1845.)