,, sworn, with regard to , at the time that is spoken of, I stopped opposite Mr. ’s Store, we had been conversing with — when I came into the room rather recoiled and wished to withdraw— he went out and sat upon a pile of wood— He said it is all true, I am sorry for it, I wish it had never happened, I understood who related some of the circumstances he cried and begged of us to forgive him, and said if he could be permitted to stay in the city as a private individual he should be happy— that was about what he said it is true, I am sorry for it, I wish it had never been so, as we came up , , and Mr. Smith, had been talking about it I have not mentioned it before, I knew of the whole affair, it was on the 4th. July or a few days after— it was shortly after I came from — I was in the City Council when said all was settled— +exd. [cross-examined] I have heard say all these things were facts— he acknowledged that had the pox and that he had doctored him, he acknowledged that, and a great deal more—

*I will make one statement in our conversation with — I told that one charge was seducing young women, and leading young men into difficulty— he admitted it— if he had let young men and women alone it would have been better for him.

sworn— in relation to the matters before the Court I am unacquainited with, I was sick at the time but I have heard it talked of back and fro,

+exd. I recollect Joseph Smith came to me with a complaint against and , and made affidavit that it was true— I have the affidavit in my house, I went to see on last Saturday. I found him at Mr. Morrison’s— he was waiting for a Steam Boat— I endeavored to prevail on him to relinquish his undertaking— he said I have no character in , for I have none to lose, I tried to convince him that he had a character and might be looked upon with respect, but he flatly contradicted me, and said he had none, and that was one of the reasons why he persecuted Joseph Smith — as he had no character, he did not care what he did— he had nothing to lose by it— that is the substance of our conversation [p. 6]