Minutes, 28 December 1835

overpower by arguement, they would by knocking down.  but said in a jesting way. Babbit said we would not have had  any difficulty, if J. Smith— had not have got mad. Babbit  has a singular Spirit. Babbit gave him an idea that he  had a difficulty with J. Smith. Benj Johnson called  said <he> thought J. Smith was riled and Wm. Smith was mad.  Brigham Young called. said that Eld. B. agreed with Bishop.  respecting being swerved when debating questions, must  be weak minded. Babbit said Smith would not have  wanted the school broke up, if they had not got defeated  Young did not hear any thing from Smith at school  that was calculated to hurt feelings and character,  he also thinks he Babbit cast reflections on the whole  Presidency, as well as J. Smith Junr. and that what  Babbit said was calculated to hurt J. Smith. Babbit  said that Smith was against the school.
Elder O. Hyde knows Babbit wants the school to  continue and said Smith had tended school till the  disturbance & had it not been for this circumstance  he (Smith) would have been willing for it to continue  heard this statement from Eld. Bishop and not from  Babbit respecting reading Tho. Paine without having  his faith shaken.
Eld. Sherman thinks if Babbit means all he says  he is a singular man. & Babbit said if it had not been  for J. Smith’s getting mad there would have been no  difficulty Eld. Rich called. stated that from what he  heard from Babbit, he thought he had nothing against  J. Smith Junr. Elder Orton stated that Babbit said  the school would have continued if J. Smith Junr. had not  got mad. He also thought that Babbit and Bishop had  the spirit of the debating school.
Counsellors spoke to the case
President H[yrum] Smith addressed the council [p. 133]
Minutes, Kirtland, OH, 28 Dec. 1835; handwriting of Warren Cowdery; in Minute Book 1, pp. 131–134; CHL.