about 1/2 mile from where they passed me— Grover said at the Rail Road all that would go with him to come on— that he wanted to See the to know why the had dismissed them with public arms in their hands— that they had given security for them— that was all the reason assigned heard nothing Said about killing the Smiths— Saw take the note from the Carthage Grey, and read it— did not hear what was in the letter— Did not state before the Grand Jury that a Carthage Grey met the troops and took and Henry Stevens [Stephens] out one side and talked to them— the Carthage Grey said now is the time <​to rush on​> the is gone to — and there is nobody in but what you can put dependence in— I was perhaps fifty yards distant— I could not hear any thing said— The Carthage Grey was talking to the men then present there— Did not hear what reply was made to him— Did not know the Carthage Grey— is He was a midling size man— round faced man with whiskers— and larger than I am— should think him not far from 30 years of age— would not know if I was to See him— had not Seen him before— nor have I seen him since— Cant Say whether he had a hat or cap or a plume— had on a Grey coat with trimmings on it— it had skirts to it— was somewhat short— dont know the uniform of the Carthage Greys— I Said I was told that he was one of the Carthage Greys, and had on their uniform— [p. 64]